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Showing posts with label Z283. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Z283. Show all posts

Saturday, August 18, 2012

R1a1a comparison STR111 Part II

First of all, I want to thank Humata, the blogger from http://vaedhya.blogspot.com/. He helped me analyzing R1a1a; I used the same tools that he used to analyze haplogroup Q in his recent post.

So, with Humata's help I analyzed all R1a1a individuals that have STR111 data. Again, I used adjusted distances to perform this analysis, which I described and used  here and here.

In order to analyze the data I had to increase IDs to 10 digits to prevent malfunction of the used software Fitch.

There are various versions to illustrate the data. Here, I am presenting two layouts.

Rectangular tree layout (see high resolution image):


Polar tree layout (see high resolution image):




Again, to better see "what is what" I annotate each ID with the proposed group used in the R1a1a and Subclades Project at FTDNA, and I used the same colors for the subclades as in this figure from FTDNA. Even with 111 STR values the main R1a1a SNPs (Z93, Z283, etc.) are overlapping.

So what does give more accurate results, unrooted network analysis or rooted tree analysis?

It is quiet obvious that even STR111 data are not sufficient enough to differentiate between the major R1a1a subclades. There are multiple overlapping haplogroups in the tree (presented below) and in the network (presented previously), i.e. Z283 and Z93 are overlapping when focusing only on the STR111 data. All previously presented trees are adding SNP information to the tree to correct this obvious overlapping. As an example: 
179005     Krikor Mirijanian, Arapkir, Turkey who is Z93+, L342+, L657-. 

Based on his STR111 values 179005 is closest to Z283+, Z280+ and Z283+, Z284+ individuals and not to other Z93+ individuals.


Update:
After Semargl was asked how he generated his R1a1a STR111 tree and why his tree shows clear clusters along the SNP branches, he responded that he is using not only STR but also SNP information to generate the tree.  Additionally, his current phylogenetic tree is a cladogram, that means that the cladogram tree does not have any information about the age or diversity of the R1a1a branches, e.g. the Ashkenazi-Jewish Z93+, L342+, L657- cluster and the MacDonald cluster takes a large part of the tree, even though these clusters are known to be very narrow (low diversity). Hopefully, he can generate a new tree that includes all this information.



From the Fitch software manual:

In Fitch you can also randomize the input order of the sequences with option "j", jumble. Often the input order of the sequences affects the outcome of the analysis. This can be assessed by randomizing the input order. The program also asks you to specify the number of times you want to randomize the input order of the sequences. It is advisable to do jumbling at least 10 times, because it almost certainly improves the results.

This is why I repeated the analysis with 10 runs as advised. Indeed, the R1a1a STR111 tree looks a little bit better now.


Rectangular tree layout (see high resolution image):


Polar tree layout (see high resolution image):





One of the new discovered SNPs is Z1282, downstream of L342. It was found in N77532 Sundardas Tulsyan, India. He is in the tree as # "N77532-2C*". Based on the presented tree and the previously presented network analysis #184336 , SAUD ABDUL AZIZ, Qatar would be a good candidate for L1282, too (1844336-2C* in the tree and in the network analysis).
 

Monday, August 13, 2012

R1a1a comparison STR111

Today, I want to present results I got by combining two methods that I used before. The first method is described here and here; the second method is based on SplitsTree that I also used here and here.

I used all R1a1a individuals with STR111 data from the R1a1a and Subclades Project at FTDNA, a total of 203 individuals (and lots of people with unknown SNP status). The two methods don't use any SNP information, so the clusters are enterily based on STR values and the mutation rate of each STR.

Here is the network as a high resolution jpg.



Update:
To better see "what is what" I annotate each ID with the proposed group used in the R1a1a and Subclades Project at FTDNA, and I used the same colors for the subclades as in this figure from FTDNA.


Here is the color-coded network as a high resolution jpg image.