Sunday, July 8, 2012

Harappa Ancestry Project presents Kurdish data

Zack from the Harappa Ancestry Project was so kind to focus on the Kurdish samples in his monthly update of the project and compared them with available autosomal Kurdish data.

I used his results to calculate the Euclidean distances of the different Iranian groups in his data set.
Based on his analysis, the Kurds in the Harappa Ancestry Project are closest to Iranians.

Here are the TOP30 matches for Kurds in the Harappa Ancestry Project:


The biggest surprise to me is one Bulgarian participant (HRP0209) at #17 in the Top30 list of Harappa Kurds. I am not sure how to interpret his small distance to other Kurds/Iranians.

Top30 matches for HRP0209 are:
 

Update: Mystery solved. 
HRP0209 is not Bulgarian, but Kurmanji Kurd from Turkey (KD006). For some reasons, he prefers to be mislabeled in various projects (e.g. "BGTR1" on Eurogenes).
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9 comments:

  1. Ya- ∞July 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    In Ancient times Median-Iranian tribes moved to Thrace - (bulgaria)
    It's also in Herodotus book.

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  2. PalistoJuly 10, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    This is not the issue here. HRP0209 is not from Bulgaria with ancient Median-Iranian roots, he is Kurmanji from Eastern Anatolia.
    He is KD006 in this blog. Compare the results from KD006 here...
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/06/kurdish-autosomal-dna-based-on.html
    ...with the results of the "Bulgarian" HRP0209 in the Harappa blog...
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuW3R0Ys-P4HdDhib1M5OE1wWENNb2haUFFWZzNBMEE#gid=1

    The results are identical, thus, the individuals are identical.

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  3. KurtiJuly 10, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    "Based on his analysis, the Kurds in the Harappa Ancestry Project are closest to Iranians."

    Slightly closer to iranians in compare to other West Asians because they share similar genetic make up but Kurds are distinct from all their neighbors and have a own cluster. In most of your comments you give the impression as if Kurds and Iranians are one and the same.

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  4. PalistoJuly 10, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    I was not aware that I give this impression. Of course, Kurds and Iranians are similar but not the same.

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  5. StarDS9July 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Palisto want to let you know that KD006 is a Alevi Kurmanji, his from the same region as me. But his 1/4 Turkish which is why he gets pulled west. Honestly I think the guy is a moron for giving out false information to others about his ethnic background. If he does not want to identify himself as Kurd then he should just embrace is 1/4 Turkish heritage instead of calling himself Bulgraian/Slavic.

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  6. KurtiJuly 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM

    "I was not aware that I give this impression. Of course, Kurds and Iranians are similar but not the same."

    you mention this closeness often and in such a way (Kurds/Iranians) that someone indeed gets this impression. However its not such a serious thing because Kurds and Iranians indeed share some heritage. Both are a complex fusion between autochthonous and Iranic groups, even though the Iranic part of Kurds is also different from the Iranian/Persian one. I simply think its important to point that out that we are indeed a people of our own and relatively homogeneous in compare to the whole world.

    Palisto I have a different question. Do you know when Mc Donald will updated his maps and create a Kurdish cluster on his maps? Or how about you make one yourself. This would also be a great thing.

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  7. PalistoJuly 17, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    I will try to find the Kurdish genetic characteristics that are different to Persians. Let's see if it works.

    "Palisto I have a different question. Do you know when Mc Donald will updated his maps and create a Kurdish cluster on his maps? Or how about you make one yourself. This would also be a great thing."

    McDonald did not add Kurds as reference population and I doubt that he will change anything in the near future. So don't expect any maps from him.

    I made a map of Kurds using K12b Dodecad results.
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/06/kurdish-autosomal-dna-based-on-dodecad.html

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  8. KurtiJuly 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    "I will try to find the Kurdish genetic characteristics that are different to Persians. Let's see if it works."

    Would be cool. Here is a something fro Dienekes using Iraqi Kurdish samples from Xings et al.

    http://dodecad.blogspot.de/2010/12/structure-in-west-asian-indo-european.html



    "I made a map of Kurds using K12b Dodecad results.
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/06/kurdish-autosomal-dna-based-on-dodecad.html"

    I was thinking more about a cluster map which shows the relation to other ethnic Groups.

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  9. PalistoJuly 17, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    I replied here:
    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/07/some-clarification-for-xing-et-al-data.html

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