Today, I want to identify R1a1 individuals that have the same STR8 haplotype (DYS393, DYS390, DYS19, DYS391, DYS439, DYS389i, DYS392, DYS389ii) as DS2 and DS15 in the recently published paper of Balaresque et al., 2015. Note that STR data have very limited information.
DS2 (perfect matches):
Dubai92 from Alshamali et al., 2009.
297613 Petr Sergeev Slyadnev, 1697, Oboyanskiy uezd R-CTS3402 (FTDNA)
230707 Philippe Renouf b 2/8/1730 Jersey R-Z284 (FTDNA)
349718 Iver Hansen Årholt, 1771, Stokke, VFL R-M512 (FTDNA)
M6619 R-Z93 (FTDNA)
243297 R-L657 (FTDNA)
163435 sayak 14с., kyrgyz R-M173 (FTDNA)
245562 R-M173 (probably Kyrgyz) (FTDNA)
220512 R-M173 (probably Kyrgyz) (FTDNA)
220490 R-M173 (probably Kyrgyz) (FTDNA)
220481 R-M173 (probably Kyrgyz) (FTDNA)
245558 R-M173 (probably Kyrgyz) (FTDNA)
249622 saribaghish (kyrgyz), KG R-M512 (FTDNA)
71094 Samuel Duncan, d.1679/80 MA R-M17 (FTDNA)
DS15 (perfect matches):
Qandahar/South Afghanistan (Sample Afg83) R1a1a* M198 from Lacau et al., 2012
Filipino (Sample431) from Hwa et al., 2010
Izeh [Bakhtiari] (Sample235) from Roewer et al., 2009
Nepal (Kathmandu) R1a1*-M17 (Sample NplK19) from Gayden et al., 2011
Nepal (Kathmandu) R1a1*-M17 (Sample NplK31) from Gayden et al., 2011
Nepal (Kathmandu) R1a1*-M17 (Sample NplK40) from Gayden et al., 2011
Nepal (Newar) R1a1*-M17 (Sample NplN67) from Gayden et al., 2011
N89389 Franz Gromann, b. about 1775 R-M512 (FTDNA)
N34838 Stephan Beres R-M198 (FTDNA)
256915 Mieczyslaw Seroka, Lublin province R-M417 (FTDNA)
200664 Simon Netke,abt 1686 -1735 R-M512 (FTDNA)
N47039 Otto Julius Madsen 1896 R-M417 (FTDNA)
264572 Franciscus Zloklikovits,b 1790 Eisenhuttl, Hungary R-CTS3402 (FTDNA)
127728 Andras Dutzman b. 1855 Levart Gemerska Slovakia R-M512 (FTDNA)
131773 Thomas Madon, Illinois? 1941? R-M512 (FTDNA)
N50210 Edmund Trawicki, geb. 1893, Legbad, Pomerania R-F2686 (FTDNA)
E13973 R-M512 (FTDNA)
191976 Mikita Kapustin, b. 1587, Novosil, Russia R-M417 (FTDNA)
257106 Lauri Heikinpoika Häyrinen, b. 1600, Joroinen R-M512 (FTDNA)
188784 Venedikt Vorotyntsev, b.ab.1660, N.Devitsa, Russia R-CTS456 (FTDNA)
283752 Yakim Loboda 1700 - 1750 R-M512 (FTDNA)
313105 Rönn R-Z92 (FTDNA)
201068 Porfyriy Skvortsov, ?-ca.1920, Radalivka, Ukraine R-Z92 (FTDNA)
140423 Olaf Andersson 1676-1759 Hemsjö Alingsås (O) R-M512 (FTDNA)
N23825 Jurgen Kolbe, b.c.1675, Angermunde, Brandenburg,Pr R-Z284 (FTDNA)
283402 Kete — Aidar — Azhibai — Seyit — Alseyit R-M512 (FTDNA)
283403 Kete — Aidar — Azhibai — Seyit — Alseyit R-M512 (FTDNA)
274445 Kete — Aidar — Azhibai — Seyit — Omar R-Z93 (FTDNA)
274482 Kete — Aidar — Azhibai — Seyit — Alkerey R-M512 (FTDNA)
192072 Adamyan, Aintab, Turkey R-Z93 (FTDNA)
N94836 Mr. İlyas Çiloğlu R-Z94 (FTDNA)
322561 Venkayya, b. 1830 R-M512 (FTDNA) 235474 R-M512 (FTDNA)
235471 R-M512 (FTDNA)
M8466 R-CTS3402 (FTDNA) M8458 R-PAGES00007 (FTDNA)
186386 need earliest known paternal ancestor info R-M198 (FTDNA)
245563 R-M512 (FTDNA)
336409 Solto-Tœlœk R-M512 (FTDNA) 219713 Sayak ~14c R-M512 (FTDNA)
277359 Malkarov, Balkaria (Chegem→Baskhan) R-F1345 (FTDNA)
221211 R-M512 (FTDNA) 20409 Gerd Bonorden born about 1500 Bielfel Germany R-M512 (FTDNA)
295213 John T. Windsor, b. 1839 (IN), d. 1924 (MO) R-Z94 (FTDNA)
M8568 R-M512 (FTDNA)
N3798 Raghavendra Kamath 1913-1989 Karkal India R-Z94 (FTDNA)
306446 Aslan Hadji,gf of İ.Akbaev,Chokuna Efendi,Karachay R-M512 (FTDNA)
237819 Abraham Kennedy, b. 1858, Vilnius; d. U.S./Poland R-M512 (FTDNA)
255385 Samuel Duncan, b 1619 and d April 1680 R-M512 (FTDNA)
188766 R-M198 (FTDNA) 177329 R-M512 (FTDNA)
N112185 Ayyapankave Ramakrishna Krishmamurthy, b1926, Ayya R-M512 (FTDNA)
306019 ataul Tiyrnakla, Bayramuk, Karachay R-M512 (FTDNA)
336372 R-M512 (FTDNA)
N87639 Lemuel Murry,1826 -1909 Milton, Rutherford Co.TN R-M17 (FTDNA)
120827 Samuel Irvine, 1789, Limavady, County Londonderry R-M512 (FTDNA)
208262 Fernando Domingo Gutierrez, b. abt 1825 R-M512 (FTDNA)
Edit 01/16.2015:
I started to read the paper. In the supplementary table 3 it provides the number of individuals of each region belonging to a specific DC. I focused on Cinnioglu et al., 2004 data that is included in the supplementary table 3. It claims that in East Anatolia (region 4) 9 out 82 belong to DC2. There are only 9 individuals in region 4, none of them is a perfect match. I realized that only 5 out of 8 STRs need to be identical to belong to DC2 (this is a pretty vague cluster). Using this vague rule I identified more than 800 individuals that are within cluster DC2, a lot of them are not within Z93 and from Europe (Z282+ individuals):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V5Wumf-nP5NNn1Y57GTxuAw2_cU2XA5pqe4MWzT6Dpo/edit?usp=sharing
Overall, this suggests that data using STR values have very little value, no matter where it is published, especially when it is about vague clusters based on 8 STRs only.
Edit2 01/16.2015:
In the current FTDNA R1a1a and Subclades Y-DNA Project I identified 1792 out of 3418 belonging to DC2 (52.4%).
In the current FTDNA R1a1a and Subclades Y-DNA Project I identified 2668 out of 3418 belonging to DC15 (78.1%).
This highlights that STR values cannot substitute SNPs.
Thank you so much!
ReplyDeleteIt Appears that the Folks of Nepal have a compelling distribution of Basal R1a1a-M17 clades! also some Indians with M-512 mutation!...
The M-173 in Kyrgyz is also with the harmony of Archaic split of R2 and R1 in Central Asia?
"... data using STR values have very little value, no matter where it is published, especially when it is about vague clusters based on 8 STRs only".
ReplyDeleteIndeed. As they say: that it is published in Nature, doesn't make it automatically wrong but in this case it has the Balaresque signature, which I already had to mercilessly criticize when she attempted to "study" (with similarly bad means and similarly unacceptable conclusions) R1b in the past. So...
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Deletehttp://eurogenes.blogspot.in/2015/01/ancient-dna-points-to-eurasian-steppe.html