He is C2b1b according to Sabitov et al., 2014 and C1b1a according to FTDNA (N114310 Jamil Alkurdi 1880-1968).
Here are the details:
CTS8889+, CTS8980+, CTS93+, CTS9395+,
CTS9828+, F1012+, F1030+, F1044+, F1067+, F1090+, F1093+, F1118+, F1140+,
F1143+, F1144+, F1165+, F1208+, F1217+, F1219+, F1223+, F1241+, F1243+, F1245+,
F1271+, F1288+, F1307+, F1323+, F1367+, F1382+, F1420+, F1453+, F1490+, F1506+,
F1564+, F1574+, F1597+, F1622+, F1641+, F1646+, F1668+, F1677+, F1678+, F1688+,
F1717+, F1727+, F1847+, F1871+, F1911+, F1938+, F1953+, F1963+, F1970+, F1996+,
F2057+, F2067+, F2074+, F2111+, F2129+, F2146+, F2166+, F2226+, F2232+, F2253+,
F2258+, F2259+, F2262+, F2302+, F2305+, F2331+, F2377+, F2379+, F2391+, F2442+,
F2446+, F2449+, F2479+, F2485+, F2501+, F2512+, F2539+, F2606+, F2607+, F2613+,
F2632+, F2645+, F2649+, F2664+, F2670+, F2678+, F2681+, F2689+, F2695+, F2718+,
F2736+, F2745+, F2774+, F2792+, F2802+, F2803+, F2847+, F2849+, F2858+, F2888+,
F2897+, F2909+, F2951+, F2969+, F2982+, F2988+, F3014+, F3043+, F3061+, F3068+,
F3071+, F3076+, F3122+, F3174+, F3178+, F3183+, F3301+, F3313+, F3319+, F3320+,
F3324+, F3333+, F3388+, F3395+, F3399+, F3400+, F3411+, F3454+, F3462+, F3487+,
F3497+, F3537+, F3553+, F3565+, F3581+, F3611+, F3643+, F3670+, F3696+, F3698+,
F3702+, F3712+, F3718+, F3719+, CTS2848+, CTS3221+, CTS3331+, CTS336+,
CTS3385+, CTS3430+, CTS3431+, CTS3662+, CTS3910+, CTS4021+, CTS4032+, CTS4364+,
CTS4368+, CTS4740+, CTS5004+, CTS5318+, CTS5410+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS6266+,
CTS6383+, CTS6723+, CTS6800+, CTS6865+, CTS6866+, CTS6907+, CTS6934+, CTS7167+,
CTS7355+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS8148+, CTS8243+, CTS8395+, CTS10116+,
CTS10362+, CTS10762+, CTS1083+, CTS109+, CTS11144+, CTS11358+, CTS11489+,
CTS11544+, CTS11575+, CTS11612+, CTS11820+, CTS12051+, CTS125+, CTS12652+,
CTS1831+, CTS1854+, CTS1996+, CTS2+, CTS2267+, CTS2377+, CTS244+, CTS2457+,
CTS2491+, F3744+, F3754+, F3758+, F3788+, F3789+, F3790+, F3809+, M42+, M94+,
P184+, P255+, P260+, P44+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+,
PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF192+, PF210+,
PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF263+, PF272+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+,
PF342+, PF500+, PF667+, PF719+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+,
PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V183+, V189+, V199+,
V232+, V52+, V77+, V9+, Z1300+, F3862+, F3879+, F3895+, F3911+, F3934+, F3952+,
F3998+, F4004+, F4005+, F4010+, F4011+, F847+, F882+, F894+, F907+, F909+,
F917+, F936+, F950+, M130+, M139+, M168+, M216+, M294+, F4045+, F734+, F767+,
F791+, F845-, M407-, F4027-, F4035-, F4040-, F3967-, F3949-, F3921-, F3883-,
F3836-, F3850-, F3853-, F3784-, F3785-, F3755-, CTS2657-, CTS2123-, CTS12931-,
CTS11990-, CTS11522-, CTS10923-, CTS8579-, CTS8629-, F3737-, F3739-
Where is he from Palisto?
ReplyDeleteI don't know I can only guess.
DeleteBased on Sabitov et al., 2014 he is Kurdish without further specifications.
Based on the name in FTDNA (Jamil Alkurdi) I would say he is from a mainly Arabic speaking country.
His last name is mostly found in Syria and Jordan.
This individual shares CTS3385 with a C2-P44 Han individual from Beijing, China (id:NA18612) according to the Experimental YTree at http://www.yfull.com/tree/C/.
ReplyDeleteOn that tree, the subclade to which this individual belongs has been given the name C2e1b2, which is a subclade of C2e1-F2982/F3895/CTS4021, for every one of which SNPs the Kurdish individual in question also has tested positive.
A sister clade of C2e1b2-CTS3385, namely C2e1b1-F1319, is represented by another Han from Beijing, China and by a Bengali from Bangladesh according to the same tree.
Descendants of the C2e clade in general are centered in East and Southeast Asia, among peoples like the Han Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Dai, etc. The MRCA of this group and the subgroup of C2-M217/P44 that is frequent across northern Eurasia and the Americas lived far back in the Palaeolithic (at least as long ago as the MRCA of R-M207 and Q-M242 or the MRCA of O3-M122 and O1'2-F75, and probably somewhat more so according to Yan et al. 2014). This suggests a deep patrilineal ancestry in East/Southeast Asia for this Kurdish individual.
However, it may be notable that the subclades of C2e1b seem to be shared between Indo-Iranians (at least Bengalis in the case of C2e1b1, and at least Kurds in the case of C2e1b2) and (northern) Han Chinese. Perhaps the ancient Indo-Iranians may have inhabited some area where they were in a good position to have genetic exchange with some ancient population of northern China.
Thanks for your information. Analogue to yfull.com, at ISOGG the Kurdish individual also belongs to C2e1b2 because he is CTS3385 positive
DeleteThe nearest patrilineal relative to the Kurdish individual in question among the individuals considered during the creation of the present study's Appendix 1 is an individual from Korea (N113861). This Kurdish individual seems to be a geographical outlier among the members of a clade that is otherwise spread mainly between Bangladesh in the southwest and Korea in the northeast.
ReplyDeleteAs always, interesting stuff from Ebizur.
ReplyDelete"The MRCA of this group and the subgroup of C2-M217/P44 that is frequent across northern Eurasia and the Americas lived far back in the Palaeolithic (at least as long ago as the MRCA of R-M207 and Q-M242 or the MRCA of O3-M122 and O1'2-F75, and probably somewhat more so according to Yan et al. 2014)".
Almost certainly ' somewhat more so'. C2's 'brother' C1 appears to pre-date K2's presence in SE Asia. C2's spread is disjointed while that of K2 appears sequential through what are now the Sundaland islands. Therefore C must have been present in the east even before K2b2 (P) first formed. Or probably even before K2a (NO) had formed.
"Descendants of the C2e clade in general are centered in East and Southeast Asia, among peoples like the Han Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Dai, etc."
C2 as a whole looks to be primarily northeast Eurasian, and C2e is also present there. To me it seems likely that any C2e further south is the result of later movement, not an indication of origin. In other words C2 is the northern version of Y-DNA C and C1 the southern (apart from the single branch C1a). The geographical gap between C1 and C2 in the east is the result of the subsequent expansion of K2 and then O. By the way, do you happen to know where C2d has been found?
"However, it may be notable that the subclades of C2e1b seem to be shared between Indo-Iranians (at least Bengalis in the case of C2e1b1, and at least Kurds in the case of C2e1b2) and (northern) Han Chinese. Perhaps the ancient Indo-Iranians may have inhabited some area where they were in a good position to have genetic exchange with some ancient population of northern China".
Not necessarily. C2e was the big expander within C2 (apart from C2b reaching North America) and so its wider presence may not be particularly ancient. It may have reached the Iranian Plateau with Mongols, Turks or Tatars.
Sorry:
ReplyDelete"C2's spread is disjointed"
I meant to say it is Y-DNA C1's distribution that is disjointed. C2's is quite continuous geographically.