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Showing posts with label I2a2a. Show all posts
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Friday, August 10, 2012

I2a2a*-M233 (old I2b1*) Z161+ found in Kurdish individual

I2a2a*-M233 (old I2b1*) is being seen as an European haplogroup, this is why I was curious about its occurrence in one Kurdish individual and wrote a post about its world wide distribution here.

Finally,  after a long search the Kurdish I2a2a*-M233 (old I2b1*) turned out to be positive for one SNP downstream of M233, he is Z161+. Newly tested SNPs are highlighted in yellow.

1x I2a2a* (old I2b1*; Z161+, L1228-, L1229-, L1230-, L1226-, L699-, L701-, L702-, L703-, L704-, M379-)(Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)


The tree presented in the results part of the I2b1/M223 Y-CLAN STUDY shows the details/relationships of the different groups of I2a2a*. The current position of the mentioned Sorani Kurd is highlighted in bold and yellow. Z161 has two branches: L801/Z76 and L623/L147.4, highlighted in green and light blue, respectively.  L801/Z76 is divided into a three subbranches but based on 23andme data we can already exclude two of them because he is negative for Z78 (1.2.1.1.1) and P95 (1.2.1.1.2).

Excluded branches are highlighted in dark grey (based on the SNPs tested individually by FTDNA).
Excluded branches are highlighted in light grey (based on the SNPs tested automatically by 23andme).


1- M223
1.1- L1229* (Roots)
1.1.1- L812* (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.1.1- L319 (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.2- L1230 (Roots Group 2a Section 1/446 = 9, 531 = 11)
1.2- Z161
1.2.1- L801
1.2.1.1- Z76* (Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-, Cont2to1, Cont1-X)
1.2.1.1.1- Z78* (Cont1-XX)
1.2.1.1.1.1- L1198 (Cont1, Cont1a)
1.2.1.1.1.1.1- Z190 (Cont1b, Cont1c)
1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1- Z79 (Cont1c1)
1.2.1.1.2- P95 (Cont2b)
1.2.1.1.3- L1201 (Cont2b)
1.2.2- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c)
1.3- L701/L702
1.3.1- P78 (Cont3a)
1.3.1.1- L484 (Cont3a)
1.3.2- L699/L703 (I2b1-XX)
1.3.2.1- L704 (I2b1-XX1)
1.3.2.1.1- L1226 (I2b1-XX1)
1.4- M284*
1.4.1- L1195
1.4.1.1- L1193* (Isles E)
1.4.1.1.2 L1194 (Isles E)
1.4.1.2- L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc)
1.5- L1228 (I2b1-X)
1.5.1- L1227 (I2b1-X)


Saturday, June 9, 2012

Kurdish Y-DNA Part VI

Just a new update (highlighted in yellow):


1x E1b1b1c1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Dersim/Turkey)
1x G2a (Alevi Kurmanji from Turkey)
2x J1 (Feyli, originally from Iran)
1x J1c3 (Sorani from Iran)
1x J2 (Kurmanji from Turkey)
1x J2a3a (J2a1a at 23andme; J2a4a at ISOGG 2009; he is M47+, M322+)(Yezidi from Iraq)
1x T (Sorani from Koysinjaq/Iraq)
1x R2a (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1b1a2* (Kurmanji from Zakho/Iraq)
1x R1b1b2a (Zaza from Turkey)
1x R1b1 (P25+)(Kurmanji from Maras/Elbistan/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Z93+, L342+, L657-)(Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)
1x R1a1a (Z283+, Z282+, Z284-, M458-, Z280-, subclade 3  only his paternal great-grandfather is Kurdish from Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Zaza from Dersim/Turkey)
1x R1a1a (Alevi Kurmanji from Dersim/Turkey)
1x I2a2a* (old I2b1*; L1229-, L1230-) (Sorani from Sulaymaniyah/Iraq)

The mutations Z282 and Z283 in Y-haplogroup R1a1a seem to have pretty much the same age.

The "Roots group" of the haplogroup I2a2a* (old I2b1*) in Europe seem to be L1229+ (group "1.1") or L1230+(group "1.2"), at least in the FTDNA I2b1/M223 Y-CLAN STUDY. The Sorani Kurd (at the bottom of the list above) was part of this group but turned out to be L1229- and L1230-. He is now in group "1.6".

The tree presented in the results part of the I2b1/M223 Y-CLAN STUDY shows the details/relationships of the different groups of I2a2a*. The position of the mentioned Sorani Kurd is highlighted in bold.

1- M223* (Roots-X)
1.1- L1229* (Roots)
1.1.1- L812* (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.1.1- L319 (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.2- L1230* (Roots Group 2a/446 = 9, 531 = 11)
1.2- Z161
1.2.1- L801
1.2.1.1- Z76* (Cont2a, Cont2to1, Cont1-X)
1.2.1.1.1- Z78* (Cont1-XX)
1.2.1.1.1.1- L1198 (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b)
1.2.1.1.1.1.1- Z79 (Cont1c)
1.2.1.1.2- P95 (Cont2b)
1.2.1.1.3- L1201 (Cont2b)
1.2.2- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c)
1.3- P78 (Cont3a)
1.3.1- L484 (Cont3a)
1.4- M284/L1195
1.4.1- L1193* (Isles E)
1.4.1.2 L1194 (Isles E)
1.4.2- L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc)
1.5- L1228 (I2b1-X)
1.5.1- L1227 (I2b1-X)
1.6- L699/L701/L702/L703 (I2b1-XX)
1.6.1- L704 (I2b1-XX)
1.6.1.1- L1226 (I2b1-XX)


Update: The tree of I2a2a*-M223 was changed again. The position of the mentioned Sorani Kurd is highlighted in bold. I have my doubts about his position in group 1.3.2.

1.- M223* (Roots-X)
1.1- L1229* (Roots)
1.1.1- L812* (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.1.1- L319 (Roots Group 1a/446 = 8, 438 = 8)
1.1.2- L1230 (Roots Group 2a Section 1/446 = 9, 531 = 11)
1.2- Z161
1.2.1- L801
1.2.1.1- Z76* (Cont2a, Cont2to1, Cont1-X)
1.2.1.1.1- Z78* (Cont1-XX)
1.2.1.1.1.1- L1198 (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b)
1.2.1.1.1.1.1- Z79 (Cont1c)
1.2.1.1.2- P95 (Cont2b)
1.2.1.1.3- L1201 (Cont2b)
1.2.2- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c)
1.3- L701/L702
1.3.1- P78 (Cont3a)
1.3.1.1- L484 (Cont3a)
1.3.2- L699/L703 (I2b1-XX)
1.3.2.1- L704 (I2b1-XX1)
1.3.2.1.1- L1226 (I2b1-XX1)
1.4- M284/L1195
1.4.1- L1193* (Isles E)
1.4.1.2 L1194 (Isles E)
1.4.2- L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc)
1.5- L1228 (I2b1-X)
1.5.1- L1227 (I2b1-X) 


Update June 22nd, 2012:
All recommended SNPs for group 1.3.2 (see above) turned out to be negative for the Sorani Kurd. He is L1226-, L699-, L701-, L702-, L703-, L704-, so he does not belong to this 1.3.2 group, either.  Previously, he turned out to be L1229- and L1230- as well. The M233 tree at FTDNA needs to be updated, he belongs to group "1.- M223* (Roots-X)".

All these tested SNPs were observed in European M233 individuals but not in Asia. He is now testing M379, a SNP that was observed once in a sample from Pakistan (but nowhere else). This has been suggested by the  Group Administrator of the FTDNA I2b1/M223 Y-CLAN Project.


More data can be found here:
Kurdish Y-DNA Part I
Kurdish Y-DNA Part II
Kurdish Y-DNA Part III
Kurdish Y-DNA Part IV
Kurdish Y-DNA Part V

Kurdish Y-DNA Part VII
Kurdish Y-DNA Part VIII