A new paper in Nature (Allentoft et al., 2015) presenting the genomes of ancient 101 Eurasians is currently fascinating geneticists but also linguists and historians. Some of these tested Bronze Age individuals lived in nowadays Armenia.
Here, I want to use their Dodecad K12b values (shared by Mfa from Corduene.blogspot.com) to calculate the closest reference populations for these individuals. Most of the tested individuals from Armenia can be resembled the best as 50-75% Iranian (including Kurds) or Lezgin and 25-50% European. In most cases, Kurds and especially Zaza are among the Top10 reference populations for these ancient genomes, see data below.
In terms of genetic composition the Southern Caucasus was more Iranian-like and European-like than it is today. The shift from Bronze Age to now could be explained by several Semitic empires and three Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) that expanded from South to North and probably impacted local populations of the Northern Middle East.
Interestingly, when traveling through Kurdistan a phenotypic gradient can be seen depending on the altitude: populations from hidden villages in the higher Mountains appear to have lighter skin (and lighter eye color) than the populations from towns in the valleys. Kurds also claim that in ancient times their people were more fair-skinned than they are today.
I believe the same (more Iranian-like and European-like than it is today) will be seen for genomes from Kurdistan. I also believe that the European-like character South of the Caucasus was introduced before the Neolithic expansion, hopefully, ancient DNA will prove this one day. As I mentioned earlier I believe that R1a and R1b originated in or near Kurdistan; two of the Bronze Age samples from Armenia are R1b (RISE397 and RISE413).
RISE413 MBA (1906 BC):
TOP reference populations based on Dodecad K12b:
1 19.6 Turkmens_Y
2 20.2 Turkish_Aydin_Ho
3 20.7 Zaza_P
4 21.0 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
5 21.3 Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
6 21.4 Tajiks_Y
7 21.7 Iranians
8 21.9 Iranian_D
9 22.1 Kurd_D
10 22.5 Kurds_Y
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 7.2639 69.1% Iranians + 30.9% Orcadian
2 7.2701 69.2% Iranians + 30.8% Orkney_1KG
3 7.2770 69% Iranians + 31% Irish_D
4 7.3007 68% Iranians + 32% CEU30
5 7.3294 68.1% Iranians + 31.9% English_D
6 7.3327 67.9% Kurd_D___ + 32.1% Argyll_1KG
7 7.3436 66.4% Iranians + 33.6% Mixed_Germanic_D
8 7.3579 68.4% Iranians + 31.6% Cornwall_1KG
9 7.3697 67.9% Iranians + 32.1% Kent_1KG
10 7.4109 68.1% Iranian_D + 31.9% Argyll_1KG
RISE416 MBA (1643 BC):
1 16.8 O_Italian_D
2 18.4 TSI30
3 18.5 N_Italian_D
4 18.9 Tuscan
5 19.3 C_Italian_D
6 20.5 North_Italian
7 22.7 S_Italian_Sicilian_D
8 23.2 Greek_D
9 23.4 Sicilian_D
10 24.7 Baleares_1KG
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 7.2386 75.3% N_Italian_D + 24.7% Balochi
2 7.4475 74.6% N_Italian_D + 25.4% Makrani
3 7.6021 77% N_Italian_D + 23% Brahui
4 7.6188 77% TSI30 + 23% Brahui
5 7.6521 52.4% Lezgins__ + 47.6% Pais_Vasco_1KG
6 7.6804 55% Kurds_Y___ + 45% Pais_Vasco_1KG
7 7.6909 73.3% North_Italian + 26.7% Balochi
8 7.8920 75.5% TSI30 + 24.5% Balochi
9 7.9160 55.2% Iranian_D + 44.8% Pais_Vasco_1KG
10 7.9334 72.6% North_Italian + 27.4% Makrani
RISE423 MBA (1402 BC):
1 14.8 Kumyks_Y
2 15.5 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
3 16.1 Lezgins__
4 16.5 Turkish_Aydin_Ho
5 16.8 Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
6 16.9 Zaza_P___
7 18.5 Turks___
8 18.9 Turkish_D
9 19.0 Kurds_Y___
10 19.1 Chechens_Y
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 4.6697 73.6% Kurds_Y___ + 26.4% Belorussian
2 4.6825 72.5% Kurds_Y___ + 27.5% Mixed_Slav_D
3 4.7566 72.7% Kurds_Y___ + 27.3% Polish_D
4 4.7988 71.3% Kurds_Y___ + 28.7% Ukranians_Y
5 4.8007 73.2% Kurds_Y___ + 26.8% Russian_D
6 4.9732 75.6% Kurds_Y___ + 24.4% Lithuanian_D
7 4.9897 73.2% Kurd_D___ + 26.8% Belorussian
8 5.0133 76.7% Kurds_Y___ + 23.3% Lithuanians
9 5.0365 70.9% Kurd_D___ + 29.1% Ukranians_Y
10 5.0987 72.1% Kurds_Y___ + 27.9% Mordovians_Y
RISE408 LBA (1209 BC):
TOP reference populations based on Dodecad K12b:
# Distance ID
1 18.0 Lezgins__
2 19.3 Kumyks_Y
3 21.4 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
4 21.5 Turkish_Aydin_Ho
5 22.0 Chechens_Y
6 22.6 Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
7 22.7 Turkmens_Y
8 23.0 Zaza_P___
9 24.0 Tajiks_Y
10 24.3 Iranian_D
Oracle:
# Distance
1 4.7378 79.2% Lezgins__ + 20.8% French_Basque
2 5.2651 72.7% Lezgins__ + 27.3% Cataluna_1KG
3 5.5218 73.7% Lezgins__ + 26.3% Valencia_1KG
4 5.5712 73.9% Lezgins__ + 26.1% Cantabria_1KG
5 5.5818 74.3% Lezgins__ + 25.7% Aragon_1KG
6 5.6722 73.8% Lezgins__ + 26.2% Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG
7 5.6816 73.3% Lezgins__ + 26.7% Spanish_D
8 5.7200 73% Lezgins__ + 27% Spaniards
9 5.8826 71.1% Lezgins__ + 28.9% French
10 5.9217 71.1% Lezgins__ + 28.9% French_D
RISE412 LBA (1193 BC):
TOP reference populations based on Dodecad K12b:
# Distance ID1 9.6 Adygei
2 11.2 Balkars_Y
3 11.7 Kumyks_Y
4 11.8 North_Ossetians_Y
5 13.1 Chechens_Y
6 13.2 Turks___
7 13.2 Turkish_D
8 14.1 Armenians
9 14.7 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
10 15.8 Armenians_15_Y
11 16.2 Armenian_D
12 16.4 Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
13 17.5 Lezgins__
14 18.3 Abhkasians_Y
15 18.5 Georgia_Jews
16 18.7 Zaza_P___
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 3.6433 77.2% Adygei + 22.8% Sephardic_Jews
2 4.0513 77.5% Adygei + 22.5% S_Italian_Sicilian_D
3 4.0932 76.4% Adygei + 23.6% Ashkenazi_D
4 4.1480 75.4% Adygei + 24.6% Ashkenazy_Jews
5 4.2166 77.9% Adygei + 22.1% Sicilian_D
6 4.2440 80% Adygei + 20% Morocco_Jews
7 4.3430 64.7% Chechens_Y + 35.3% Cypriots
8 4.6281 60.3% Adygei + 39.7% Turkish_D
9 4.8258 75% Adygei + 25% Druze
10 4.9047 75.9% Adygei + 24.1% Lebanese
11 4.9790 84.3% Armenians + 15.7% Lithuanians
12 5.0526 77.3% Adygei + 22.7% Greek_D
13 5.0618 64.2% Abhkasians_Y + 35.8% Bulgarian_D
14 5.0744 82% Armenians + 18% Russian_B
15 5.0939 83.6% Armenians + 16.4% Lithuanian_D
16 5.1290 78.9% Adygei + 21.1% Syrians
17 5.1671 81.7% Armenians + 18.3% Mordovians_Y
18 5.1701 70.9% Balkars_Y + 29.1% Cypriots
19 5.2275 65.7% Abhkasians_Y + 34.3% Romanians
20 5.2709 67.1% Adygei + 32.9% Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
RISE396 LBA (1192 BC):
TOP reference populations based on Dodecad K12b:
# Distance ID
1 12.0 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
2 12.6 Kumyks_Y
3 13.5 Turkish_Kayseri_Ho
4 14.5 Turkish_Aydin_Ho
5 14.5 Turkish_D
6 14.6 Turks___
7 15.3 Zaza_P___
8 16.1 Lezgins__
9 17.1 Chechens_Y
10 18.1 Kurds_Y___
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 4.2060 58.2% Lezgins__ + 41.8% Greek_D
2 4.4492 61.5% Lezgins__ + 38.5% Sicilian_D
3 4.5387 60.3% Lezgins__ + 39.7% Ashkenazi_D
4 4.7105 63.8% Lezgins__ + 36.2% C_Italian_D
5 4.7696 58.9% Lezgins__ + 41.1% Ashkenazy_Jews
6 5.2481 63.3% Lezgins__ + 36.7% O_Italian_D
7 5.4614 66.2% Lezgins__ + 33.8% Tuscan
8 5.5673 67% Lezgins__ + 33% TSI30
9 5.8915 62.9% Lezgins__ + 37.1% Sephardic_Jews
10 6.0393 58% Kurds_Y___ + 42% Bulgarian_D
RISE407 LBA (1115 BC):
TOP reference populations based on Dodecad K12b:
# Distance ID
1 19.1 Lezgins__
2 19.6 Turkmens_Y
3 20.0 Tajiks_Y
4 20.7 Kumyks_Y
5 21.3 Zaza_P___
6 21.6 Turkish_Aydin_Ho
7 21.7 Turkish_Istanbul_Ho
8 22.0 Iranian_D
9 22.5 Kurd_D___
10 22.5 Kurds_Y___
Oracle K12B:
# Distance
1 9.0414 77.7% Lezgins__ + 22.3% Pais_Vasco_1KG
2 9.1657 70.8% Iranian_D + 29.2% Norwegian_D
3 9.4091 70.2% Kurd_D___ + 29.8% Swedish_D
4 9.4630 79.2% Lezgins__ + 20.8% French_Basque
5 9.5599 70.4% Kurd_D___ + 29.6% Norwegian_D
6 9.6359 70.1% Kurds_Y___ + 29.9% Swedish_D
7 9.6374 71.4% Lezgins__ + 28.6% Portuguese_D
8 9.6513 72.7% Lezgins__ + 27.3% Cataluna_1KG
9 9.6726 71.2% Lezgins__ + 28.8% Extremadura_1KG
10 9.6800 73.6% Lezgins__ + 26.4% Castilla_La_Mancha_1KG
" I also believe that the European-like character South of the Caucasus was introduced before the Neolithic expansion, hopefully, ancient DNA will prove this one day. As I mentioned earlier I believe that R1a and R1b originated in or near Kurdistan; two of the Bronze Age samples from Armenia are R1b (RISE397 and RISE413)."
ReplyDeleteVery funny.
Why is it funny, David? That R1a and R1b ultimately originated in West Asia is a fact. I'm not so sure about the "European-like" character but he seems to be providing some evidence in favor of it, evidence that you don't even bother discussing.
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Delete"Polish blonde blue eyed horse archers riding across the Steppes and civlizing the whole world"
DeleteBut Polish were brown in Copper age-Bronze age i think:P
http://dienekes.blogspot.in/2015/01/bronze-age-warrior-from-poland.html
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Delete@Kurti: it's obvious that Davidski has some strong biases but also that he has some cultivated knowledge and produces some informative research. I take everyone seriously but I do lament, as you seem to do, that wishful-thinking way too often takes over rational thinking and the quest for Truth.
DeleteMostly I lament that Davidski seems unable to argument his position and instead resorts to buffoonery one-liners. Considering that he's somewhat influential, I felt that his mockery deserved to be challenged. I hoped for a more extended rational discussion but seems we won't get it. :(
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ReplyDeletePalisto,
ReplyDeletePost on something , please!!, its getting boring :).....
Hello Palisto,
ReplyDeleteI'm interested in Kurds Y-DNA, is there a way to contact you ?