tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post4090837090671934538..comments2024-02-07T00:13:49.964-08:00Comments on KurdishDNA: DNA tribes presents Kurdish dataPalistohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-44080593668496443092012-08-03T06:18:41.063-07:002012-08-03T06:18:41.063-07:00Kurti, I have now added a second reply post in the...Kurti, I have now added a second reply post in the same thread, which continues from the first one.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-14837977862172792812012-08-03T05:57:11.955-07:002012-08-03T05:57:11.955-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-28165729897479203342012-08-03T03:35:51.229-07:002012-08-03T03:35:51.229-07:00So DOD 433 with less East Asian input comes close ...<i>So DOD 433 with less East Asian input comes close to Turkish average?</i><br /><br />Kurti, my answer is in the new thread that Palisto linked as well.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-49493316255135065602012-08-03T03:30:56.770-07:002012-08-03T03:30:56.770-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-31953178550835791672012-08-02T17:09:53.350-07:002012-08-02T17:09:53.350-07:00"He/she is clearly more Mongoloid-admixed tha..."He/she is clearly more Mongoloid-admixed than the average full Anatolian Turk, even excluding the Black Sea region."<br /><br />"So DOD 433 with less East Asian input comes close to Turkish average?"<br /><br />I responded here:<br />http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/08/anatolian-turks.htmlPalistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-50414776598859232002012-08-02T16:53:51.206-07:002012-08-02T16:53:51.206-07:00So DOD 433 with less East Asian input comes close ...So DOD 433 with less East Asian input comes close to Turkish average?Kurtihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15370578131814705759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-64256227838482109072012-08-02T16:00:01.449-07:002012-08-02T16:00:01.449-07:00I don' know. If I have to guess I would say:
D...<i>I don' know. If I have to guess I would say:<br />DOD433</i><br /><br />He/she is clearly more Mongoloid-admixed than the average full Anatolian Turk, even excluding the Black Sea region.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-27690036082052361412012-08-02T15:28:55.470-07:002012-08-02T15:28:55.470-07:00"So many of the "Turkish" samples i..."So many of the "Turkish" samples in Dodecad are actually from recent Balkan origin. I am quite curious how Turkish individuals with less or no recent Balkan heritage would come out like. Do we have some samples with no recent Balkan heritage (where at least all four of the Grandparents are known to be from Anatolia)?"<br /><br />I don' know. If I have to guess I would say:<br />DOD433Palistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-6434710461549294142012-08-02T15:28:17.214-07:002012-08-02T15:28:17.214-07:00For instance, as I pointed out above, the Galicia ...For instance, as I pointed out above, the Galicia ancestry of DOD661 most probably denotes Crimean Tatar ancestry.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-72419000728173239602012-08-02T15:24:18.051-07:002012-08-02T15:24:18.051-07:00Palisto,
I am still not convinced there is more ...Palisto, <br /><br />I am still not convinced there is more than one Dodecad participant who is full Balkan Turk.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-46621374440536271282012-08-02T15:12:39.205-07:002012-08-02T15:12:39.205-07:00Kurti,
Most Dodecad Turks are exclusively from A...Kurti, <br /><br />Most Dodecad Turks are exclusively from Anatolia, as is clear from the fact that most of them fall in exclusively Anatolian clusters in cluster analyses. BTW, the Behar et al. 2010 Turkish samples are exclusively from the region of Anatolia historically called Cappadocia.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-64272157208205284942012-08-02T15:10:05.472-07:002012-08-02T15:10:05.472-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-597511472922959342012-08-02T15:07:09.886-07:002012-08-02T15:07:09.886-07:00Okay, thank I see now. DOD611 is mixed: Turkish ro...Okay, thank I see now. DOD611 is mixed: Turkish roots from paternally Bosnia, Northern Greece and Galicia/Ukraine and maternally Bosnia.Palistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-74828096639221852952012-08-02T14:55:51.047-07:002012-08-02T14:55:51.047-07:00So many of the "Turkish" samples in Dode...So many of the "Turkish" samples in Dodecad are actually from recent Balkan origin. I am quite curious how Turkish individuals with less or no recent Balkan heritage would come out like. Do we have some samples with no recent Balkan heritage (where at least all four of the Grandparents are known to be from Anatolia)?Kurtihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15370578131814705759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-69721029831111545642012-08-02T14:23:40.070-07:002012-08-02T14:23:40.070-07:00I don't know where you got this information ab...<i>I don't know where you got this information about Galicia for DOD611.<br />DOD611 is not mentioned at<br />http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html</i><br /><br />If you had clicked the "Load more..." link at the bottom of the ancestry thread, you would have seen DOD611 and the info about his/her Galician roots.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-11278703252292584462012-08-02T12:30:13.924-07:002012-08-02T12:30:13.924-07:00BTW, as far as I know, Ottomans did not settle in ...BTW, as far as I know, Ottomans did not settle in Galicia. So, the Galicia ancestry of DOD611, if Turkic (most probably so based on his/her inclusion in the Dodecad Project), is most probably from the Crimean Tatars there.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-10844742709165640372012-08-02T12:10:16.148-07:002012-08-02T12:10:16.148-07:00Palisto, may I ask you where you got all these inf...Palisto, may I ask you where you got all these info from? <br /><br />In the Dodecad ancestry thread, of the Turkish participants you mentioned information exists only about DOD435 and DOD611.<br /><br />http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2010/11/information-about-project-samples.html<br /><br />What do DOD435 and DOD611 tell about themselves in the ancestry thread? In contrast to what you say, DOD435 says that all of his/her ancestry is Turkish (he/she surely means the known ancestry). He/she does not provide any information about his/her geographical origins, so it is not clear whether he/she is descended from Balkan Turks and how much. As for DOD611, he/she reports that most of his/her known ancestry is from the Balkans and Galicia, Ukraine (Crimean Tatar ancestry from Ukraine?), but adds that he/she may have some Anatolian roots as well. No info is available for DOD835, DOD107 and DOD155 in the Dodecad ancestry thread.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-44271017711001064412012-08-02T11:14:10.426-07:002012-08-02T11:14:10.426-07:00"Are they full Balkan Turks, or are they rece..."Are they full Balkan Turks, or are they recent Balkan Turk/Anatolian Turk hybrids?"<br /> <br />DOD435 is at least 7/8 from the Balkans. DOD435 maternal side is Bulgarian Turk, the paternal side of DOD435 is not clear, some kind of mix of Macedonian Albanian (Paternal grandfather), the father of the paternal grandmother is not known (Orphan), this could be Anatolian Turk.<br /><br />The paternal side of DOD107 (1.2% East Asian and 1.8% Siberian) is from the Balkans, the mother of DOD107 is DOD155 (1.4% East Asian and 2.4% Siberian), father's is not part of Dodecad.<br /><br />I don't know the details of the others.Palistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-23645142457922524372012-08-02T06:59:29.435-07:002012-08-02T06:59:29.435-07:00There are several Balkan Turks at Dodecad and they...<i>There are several Balkan Turks at Dodecad and they do have some of the East Asian component in K12b, e.g. DOD435 (4.6% East Asian and 1.4% Siberian), DOD611 (1.1% East Asian and 0% SIberian), and DOD835 (0.3% East Asian and 3.6% Siberian).</i><br /><br />Are they full Balkan Turks, or are they recent Balkan Turk/Anatolian Turk hybrids? From what I understand reading the occasional ethnic and geographical details provided by Dienekes about the Turkish project participants used in his analyses, the latter is the case.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-91495898339831632062012-08-02T06:44:13.153-07:002012-08-02T06:44:13.153-07:00"Only one Turkish member of Dodecad seems to ..."Only one Turkish member of Dodecad seems to be a pure Balkan Turk, and he/she seems to completely lack the Mongoloid components as far as I can see."<br /><br />There are several Balkan Turks at Dodecad and they do have some of the East Asian component in K12b, e.g. DOD435 (4.6% East Asian and 1.4% Siberian), DOD611 (1.1% East Asian and 0% SIberian), and DOD835 (0.3% East Asian and 3.6% Siberian). <br /><br />"The "East Asian" and "North Asian" components of the DNA Tribes SNP analysis may be too close to each other to allow for substitution between each other"<br /><br />Yes, I agree. The Dodecad project had the same problems (see above in Balkan Turks).Palistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-45565776056055392002012-08-02T03:28:01.005-07:002012-08-02T03:28:01.005-07:00As for the "East Asian" alone issue, tha...As for the "East Asian" alone issue, that depends on the genetic distance between the components. The "East Asian" and "North Asian" components of the DNA Tribes SNP analysis may be too close to each other to allow for substitution between each other, especially when they are minority components.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-79165778704509947652012-08-02T02:56:34.570-07:002012-08-02T02:56:34.570-07:00As far as I can see from the Dodecad Project, pure...As far as I can see from the Dodecad Project, pure Balkan Turks totally lack the Mongoloid components. There are some Balkan Turk-Anatolian Turk hybrids in the Dodecad Project and they invariably have less amounts of Mongoloid components than the average pure Anatolian Turk. Only one Turkish member of Dodecad seems to be a pure Balkan Turk, and he/she seems to completely lack the Mongoloid components as far as I can see.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-22029088280491537062012-08-01T16:54:31.599-07:002012-08-01T16:54:31.599-07:00Northern Greece has a large Turkish community, so ...Northern Greece has a large Turkish community, so it could be from them. But the weird thing about this is that the Greek sample set at DNATribes does not have any Northern Asian, it is "East Asian" alone, which is uncommon for Turks.Palistohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633640722962576468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-90519349641768699142012-08-01T08:56:35.193-07:002012-08-01T08:56:35.193-07:00Now thinking about it and its distribution THE BES...Now thinking about it and its distribution THE BEST fitting name for this so called "Persian" component would be "Caspian"! since it obviously follows a root from Western to Eastern Caspian.Kurtihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15370578131814705759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1082727841026025895.post-42668651726237009202012-08-01T08:33:07.013-07:002012-08-01T08:33:07.013-07:00I wonder the reason behind the "East Asian&qu...I wonder the reason behind the "East Asian" component average of 1.1% in the DNA Tribes Greek population (see 8 Continents Admixture). Is it because there are some Anatolian Greeks among them and those Anatolian Greeks have above noise levels of "East Asian" component as a legacy of the Turkic invasion of Anatolia?Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.com